Lock 'em up and throw away the key. It turns out that concept has been controversial from the beginning. There have always been cracks in the concept of incarceration, but have we let the system grow beyond our control?
Rachel and Charli trace the origins of prisons to the United States and take a trip to a small European nation with a different approach. What do we expect from prisons and who are today's prisons actually serving?
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Interviewees featured in this episode:
Ashley Rubin, Department of Sociology at the University of Hawaii at Manoa
Omari Amili, Director of Husky Post Prison Pathways
Edith Levering, Tour guide at the Fallon Hotel and former social worker at Schutterswei prison
Esther van Ginneken, Institute for Criminal Law and Criminology, Leiden University
Erica Meiners, Prison abolitionist and professor of educational policy and gender studies at Northeastern Illinois University
This episode of Don't Drink the Milk was produced by Charli Shield, edited by Sam Baker, fact checked by Julia Rose and hosted by Rachel Stewart.
Chapter index:
0:00 Intro
0:17 What's the purpose of prison?
2:05 Where prisons come from
4:11 How did we punish before prisons?
9:35 Prison conditions from El Salvador to Norway
12:58 What's it like to be behind bars in the US?
17:47 Checking in to prison
19:29 How prison rates fell in the Netherlands
22:52 Birds, respect and rehabilitation in prison
27:45 The best way to tackle crime
31:53 Are prisons inadequate by design?
38:10 Prison as a business – the "prison industrial complex"
40:02 Final thoughts
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